But nowhere does it mention or even implies that they "saw" God face to face. I think we both agree that God doesnt need to appear in human form to bring the animals to Adam or to perform surgery on him. But I am very clear in the post that I have no problem with the notion that they might have walked with Him. #2 They both "saw" their nakedness. Later Israel recognized that God demanded holiness and obedience if he were to continue to walk among his people. There are many others that could be added to this list but this illustrates . For example, the Passover lamb was to be eaten (Exodus 12:8). You have argued that a strong wind would be a better translation, but you havent explained how it was that Adam knew that this was the sound of God as soon as he heard it. Hi Warren, They and their children would experience sickness, pain, and physical death. I even pointed out that when the Bible speaks of Enoch and Noah walking with God it should be understood in the figurative sense of them living godly lives (as opposed to taking physical strolls with Him). To use your example, it would be like if people repeatedly said, The Bible says Adam watched the stars every night while in the Garden. Even if he did do that, the Bible doesnt say that he did, and it would be worth correcting someone on that point. The idea of God openly talking and physically walking with Adam and Eve is that God is interested in humans and want to develop a close friendship with them. It bothered me for the day into right now where I went on the internet to find something credible and I landed here. The first words recorded from Eve are from her encounter with the serpent. Although Exodus established that God was present everywhere through the judgement on Egypt, it also taught that God would be present in a special way in the tabernacle (later to be replaced by the temple). Theres no reason to think that they waited 60+ years to have children when they were already husband and wife and were created by God to fulfill the instructions He had given them, including be fruitful and multiply.. God bless you. Conclusion. Randy Alcorn (@randyalcorn) is the author of over sixtybooks and the founder and director of Eternal Perspective Ministries. Thanks for taking the time to read the blog post and for your kind words. What is the one thing that He values the most, as we know it? Weve arrived at a very similar conclusion very recently that Adam and his wife or help-meat very possibly disobeyed their creators command not to eat of the fruit of tree in the midst of the garden the first day they were placed there. Then it says that Adam & Eve hid themselves from God's presence and then they confessed that they "heard" His voice and hid themselves from His voice. Gods presence is also noted by his walking in the camp and sanctuary of Israel. It seems so trivial. Like a child jumping in his fathers arm as he comes home from work. For example, Enoch walked with God (Genesis 5:22, 24) and Noah walked with God (Genesis 6:9). Awesome, you as a Dad leading his children, as the word instructs. It was perfectalmost. When I was young I remember the most favorites of things I would get for Christmas. It does say he was afraid-afraid because they were naked. Genesis 3:21 comes after Genesis 3:7, in which Adam and Eve ate from the Tree and realized they were naked. If He was walking, then this must have been a theophany - a pre-incarnate appearance of the Second Person of the Trinity. The impression people usually get is that Adam and Eve were in the garden for a long time, enjoying daily walks with God. It was a choice that they both made in full knowledge of what was right and wrong. However, I dont see how your final statement about the garden has any relevance. I hope this helps. Verse Concepts. I agree with you that we cannot say with certainty that God walked with them, I am just here to point out that the language suggests a repetitive habit of God. The serpent Satan asked her how she was doing. I see familiarity here. Behold we shall not sow,nor gather in our increase: now look at 21 Then I will command my blessing upon you in the sixth year and it shall bring forth fruit for 3 years 22 and you shall sow the 8th year and eat of the old fruit until the 9th year until the fruits come in. If Im narrating a scene, I can write that the main character heard a certain sound (e.g., an approaching truck or an army on the march) before the character realizes what it is that he is hearing. My post is not arguing against the idea that Adam and Eve had some sort of relationship with the Lord prior to the Fall. Hi Tim I hope this clarifies my objective in the post. I believe God appeared to Adam and Eve and Cain and Enoch and Noah and Abraham and Isaac and Jacob (when He wrestled with Him) and the parents of Samson, and even to Balaam and his donkey, the same way He appeared to John. The Lord could speak from His throne and these actions could be performed just as easily as if He had manifested in the garden to perform the actions. This just isnt found in the text and seems very unlikely in light of the details given in the post. God Was Angry. 5 For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil. Granted, Adam and Eve walking with God poses no theological problems, but my point here is that the strength (or better, weakness) of that particular argument is roughly the same. I do however give a lot of thought when people preach/teach as truth that which is not written but surmised by man/woman to have taken place. For more information on the subject of Heaven, see Randy Alcorns book Heaven. Two things that they did see. Tim please do a small word study on walking and when you do you will find that walking refers to a living relationship with the said persons mentioned . The adverbial phrase in the cool of the day (NIV, NASB, NJB) or the breezy time of the day (NJPS, NAB) translates the Hebrew phrase wind [rah] of the day. The NRSVs rendering makes the time more explicit, at the time of the evening breeze (also REB). There isnt a verse like this about Adam and/or Eve. Thanks for reading and sharing your thoughts. Adam and Eve and God literally walking next to each other in perfect harmony. they heard him rebuke them. there are many who use the idea of Adam and Eve actually walking with God to stress the theological point of mans closeness to God prior to sin in order to contrast that with mans lost condition after sin. Another potential source for this idea is found in the statements made about those who did walk with God. It is also the case that Adam and Eve had been commanded by God to "be fruitful and multiply, and fill the Earth" (Genesis 1:28). Adam said, I heard the sound of you in the garden, and I was afraid, because I was naked, and I hid myself (Genesis 3:10, ESV). But arguments from silence are not strong arguments to build a positive case for something. What does it even mean? I would be with this item all day and be close to me at nite. Hi Ian, It would be far better to use a supporting argument that has a strong biblical basis. Maybe He was physically there throughout the short time that they were in the Garden, but I have my doubts., By a plain reading, Genesis 2:7 and 2:22c reasonably are inferred to imply that the place where God formed Adam, and then Eve, was a place some way *outside* of the garden (and this place likely being that of the shore of a river or a sea). In terms of the theological questions of how God could do this, one answer could be that it is an embodied pre-incarnate Christ, the Angel of the Lord, who is himself the Lord and who appears many times in the Old Testament. But it would be nice for you or someone else to show me where the Bible ever makes that claim. Thank you for your post and your diligence to pursuing Biblical accuracy! However, I also notice in chapter 2 that Adam recognized God speaking (commanding) to him concerning the forbidden tree. He was given power and authority by Father God to create the universe and all life within it. Before the fall, Adam and Eve were without sin and immortal . Thanks for your thoughts. If this is the correct way to understand the wording in Genesis 3, then I think it would be something similar. It was always my thought they in fact walked side by side as one would imagine them doing so. There may have been thousands of years, who knows? In the book of Genesis we read that Adam used to walk with the Lord God in the cool of the day. Adam (perhaps Eve too) was familiar with Gods presence. God walking with people normally suggests closeness and intimacy and fellowship. why couldnt it have been Jesus walking in the garden. Second, Eve was made from Adams rib (or more accurately side), indicating that they both had physical bodies (Genesis 2:21). Yes, I do understand that God desires relationship with His peopleto walk with them as they walk with Him. An additional notable commentary is that God made Adam in His image and likeness, and imbued him with His Spirit the breath of life. I would assume that they drank goats milk during this time as well. Far too many people run around claiming, The Bible says Adam and Eve walked with God in the garden, but as Ive pointed out, it doesnt say that. Easy, no relevance to the story. With this particular issue, the reason I addressed it is because I hear it so frequently. Genesis 3:8-9 . Even if this translation is accurate, which is debatable, it does not say that they walked with God. But, like other things, there is truly not a single word to directly support the notion that Adam walked with God in the cool of the day. Maybe this is why pastors and teachers teach it this way (that God regularly walked with Adam and Eve), because they can see from the word study that this was a regular occurrence. There is a possibility that we should understand that Hebrew text to be speaking about something more like the whirlwind at the end of Jobthat they heard the sound of God moving about (not walking) in the Garden. So Adam hears a sound, which he knows is the sound of God. It is possible that God literally walked in the Garden of Eden in the form of a human. They had all they could ever want. If they dont walk with him no blessing no rain no food and punishment 7 times more. Whirlwinds dont speakunless it is God appearing in that form. . The sound of God that Adam heard was not the sound of God speaking, because God speaks after Adam has hidden himself, which Adam only does after he hears the sound.. Ive enjoyed reading your article, the comments and your responses. We are lonesome here, and it is difficult for us to remember how much You love us.' . Adam tried to put the blame on Eve, and Eve tried to put the blame on the serpent, but God was angry with all three of them! Sincerely, God created Adam and Eve to care for His creation, populate the planet, and have a relationship with Him. . It would be accurate if the point of my article was to claim that Adam and Eve did not walk with God in the Garden prior to sin. Hello Tim, I honestly do not understand why you are so hellbent on trying to make a point of saying that Adam and Eve did not walk with God? ILL TAKE YOUR APOLIGE NOW ,,WHERE THEY USE TO WALK WITH GOD ,THEY CHOOSE TO HIDE !! It would be far better to use a supporting argument that has a strong biblical basis. It is meant to point out to people that the text doesnt say what so many people have claimed that Adam and Eve walked with God in the garden. * In The Garden * And they heard the voice of the Lord God walking in the garden in the cool of the day: and Adam and his wife hid themselves from the presence of the Lord God amongst the trees of the garden. Again, in Gen 3:24, we see that God drove the man out of the Garden of Eden. But its an irrelevant point. Here is a portion of what I wrote on page 72 of my book, Fallen. I think there are two reasons why it seems best to conclude that God had walked in the garden before: 1. If the idea being conveyed by the text is a strong wind then this scene was probably quite similar to the way God spoke to Job, as I mentioned in the article. The Bible doesnt say that, and that is the point of the article. Adam was ashamed to stand before God as he was now a sinner who was about to face his righteous God. God appointed angels to guard the way back (Genesis 3:23-24). How cool would that be! Although I agree, you simply cannot prove this one way or another, however I believe the scripture gives us enough evidence to assume with confadence, that Jesus did take a physical form and did actually, literally walk through the garden. I would take them apart and look inside to see how they worked. For example, Enoch walked with God (Genesis 5:22, 24) and Noah walked with God (Genesis 6:9). Many people assume that this one verse is symbolic, as . In God's sight they are like filthy rags. well, they say that Jesuss life was that of God or perhaps he was God. Both Adam and Eve, and all humans today, were made in God's image (Genesis 1:26-27; 5:1). Thanks for the kind response. But what did they actually hear that made them afraid? What do you think?? With that in mind, I would disagree with you on the reason you give for why God came to the garden that day. They probably werent in the garden for very long at allperhaps just a few days to a few weeks. I have found Bible studies that indicate that God fellowshipped or walked with Adam and Eve, and they refer to Genesis 3:8. And how many times is this a supporting argument for a main point or the main point itself? Of course, Adam and Eve walked with God in the Garden, its written right there in Genesisumahis it 3? Thanks for reading. As I mentioned in the conclusion of the article, it is certainly possible that the Lord walked with Adam and Eve, and if He did, then it may well have been the preincarnate Christ who walked with them. . This could be literally translated "the wind of that day." Some think this might refer to a strong wind. We did not know, nor trained ourselves to do that and now see our own child in the consequences. The book of Genesis tells us that the Lord appeared and fellow-shipped with Adam and Eve in the garden of Eden (ch. Adam and Eve were happy and satisfied in the beautiful garden. Have you ever wondered exactly how the conversation between God and Adam went down in the Garden of Eden? We know that God is capable of doing this, but >>my point< OK, so does the Bible state or imply that He didnt walk with Adam & Eve BEFORE they sinned? Thank you so much. So is this one (post-Fall) verse sufficient to establish that God was in the habit of visiting with Adam and Eve in the Garden? So there minds were NOT YET CORRUPTED until God ALLOWED there FREE WILL to be tested, just as the Father through the Holy Spirit ALLOWED Christ Jesus to be tested in the wilderness. Could Adam and Eve have actually taken walks with God in the Garden? Adam and Eve obeyed God. Did you notice something else about the way people typically define the image of God? I think your criticism of my article misses the mark. So I will get rid of the statement being discussed here. I could not find it. Of course, the eternal Son, the Word by whom the Father made all things has always been present at the Father's right hand. Adam replies saying that he hid because he heard the sound of God. Even if this translation is accurate, which is debatable, it does not say that they walked with God. Picture this. One fine, perfect Edenic day Eve was out walking. The strong wind or breezy alternative is reflected in the notes of many English Bibles, such as the NASB, NET, and ESV, and it is even the translation of the HCSB. 2. Further, although the phrase could be translated as a strong wind, the text would still say that he came walking in a strong wind. They heard the sound of the Lord God walking in the garden at the time of the evening breeze, and the man and his wife hid from the presence of the Lord God among the trees of the garden. Again, nothing in Scripture tells us that they walked with God or carried on a conversation with Him. So it would not have taken long for Eve to conceive, yet Cain was not conceived until they were banished from the Garden. You say that since Gods coming is right after Adam and Eve sin, that His reason for coming is to proclaim judgment. We walk with the voice of God as well. Here are 6 things that you need to know, insights that will help you in your life today, in helping to refine the way you view God. I dont have a problem with people thinking that Adam and Eve walked with God (as I stated, they may have), but I want people to realize that the Bible doesnt say that they did. He gives them clothes in Verse 21 because the evil deed, of eating from . Its not even hard to imagine that Adam and Eve did walk with God prior to the fall. I hear it on a regular basis, and many of my coworkers have said it. Thanks for the kind words. Genesis 3:8, CSB: Then the man and his wife heard the sound of the Lord God walking in the garden at the time of the evening breeze, and they hid from the Lord God . The only time we see Eve converse with God in Scripture is after she ate the fruit and hid with Adam among the trees of the garden. If used in this sense, Adam and Eve did walk with God prior to sin because there was no fracture in their relationship with God. Tonight I was thinking about it again. Thanks for taking the time to read the article and for the comment. Can you show me some similar articles? The only possible biblical reference to walking in the Garden of Eden is found after Adam and Eve sinned. In Lev 26 god goes into great detail about how they were to walk with god and how god would walk with them ( please dont say ohhh but it doesnt say it) it does say very loudly its deafening. In fact, they didn't even know what want and longing were! Im not sure what this has to do with whether they walked with God in the garden. Can a whirlwind fulfill those processes? Not because I think Im right and feel holier than thou but it was just something burning in me saying NO. When He asked them why they hid they answered Him. Genesis 3:8 Context. So, heres one guy that wont repeat this again. Genesis 3:8 Can you imagine what it must have been like in the garden of Eden, before sin entered the world? They were created pre-programmed by God. WHY? Now turn to Chapter 4 of Genesis verse 13 Cain said to the Lord, My punishment is more than I can bear. Its the generous support of our ministry partners that enables us to continue our eternity-shaping work. Of course, from this view God was perceiveably with the pre-Fallen Adam and Eve, so that they had the privilege of regularly hanging out with Him. But Adam and Eve were almost certainly not in the Garden very long prior to their Fall. The natural connotation, to me, is that God often did this, perhaps daily in the cool of the day, but what was remarkable this time was that man was afraid, because he had sinned. Adam and Eve got to literally hang out with God all day long, face to face. After creating Adam, God "put him in the garden of Eden to tend and keep it" (Genesis 2:15). How many pastors and other teachers have taught that the Bible says Adam and Eve walked with God in the garden? We also should not assume that God was at their beck and call so that He would come around for a stroll whenever they wanted Him there. In the plain reading of Genesis 1-3, we learn that God created the first two people: Adam and Eve. Im not sure where you got the idea that Im hellbent on trying to make a point of saying that Adam and Eve did not walk with God. I have no problem with the idea that Adam and Eve may have walked with God, which is what I stated in the conclusion of the post and in several follow-up comments. He could have done it audibly from the heavens, or He could have spent time with Adam in the garden. Im glad to know that what you are able to recognize what I hope to accomplish whenever I respond to people. But there is no need to make the text say something it doesnt. If you want to believe they did, thats totally fine with me. Adam and Eve were the first human beings, from whom every other human being descends. Adam and Eve lived in the Garden of Eden, surrounded by fruit trees and beautiful things. When God gave commandments to Adam and Eve, he also granted them the ability to intelligently decide whether to keep that covenant from God, or choose to disobey God. Do you think that statement is a stepping stone for misleading Gods people? "And out of the ground the LORD God made every tree grow that is pleasant to the sight and good for food. Well done! I suppose so, but seems illogical, Hi Daniel, I know you didnt use the word constant but thats sort of the point in my article. So it seems as if Abel had just recently passed away. I can see that they heard either a sound or a voice. That would be really cool. With that in mind, what makes you say, from the text of Genesis, that the phrase translated cool of the day would be better translated a strong wind? If strong wind is the better translation, when prior to this event did God manifest himself to Adam and Eve in a strong wind in such a way that when they heard the strong wind on this occasion, they knew instantly that it was the sound of God? Hi Nucc, God then planted a garden 'eastward in Eden' (2:8), containing both the tree of life and 'the tree of knowledge of good . 5. So when I say, The Bible just doesnt say that some people think Im saying that it didnt and couldnt have happened. Totally agree with you to know that not everything was told to us, but take what we are told and use it for good, not for argument. To the second point in your conclusion, I think it is quite speculative. When everything fell apart, so did the people. I believe the context of the above verse was a time when ADAM was NOT at enmity with God and they conferred with each other. No, I mean that God must have spent time with them in order to teach them, how else would they learn to talk, to till the land, to eat, to basically live their lives in a way that was pleasing to Him! The answer is that it was the Word, who later became Jesus Christ, that walked and talked with Adam and Eve in the garden of Eden. when they heard God walking in the garden, they hid from God. In each case, they are basing their ideas on something that isnt stated in Scripture. It would literally have been paradise just to walk with Jesus in the . Joshua 1:8 This book of the law shall not depart out of thy mouth; but thou shalt meditate therein day and night, that thou mayest observe to do according to all that is written therein: for then thou shalt make thy way prosperous, and then thou shalt have good success. God communicated many things to Adam. And therefore, it seems to me familiarity was brought about by regular communion/ communication/ visits from the Lord. 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